Vegans who arent american...thats just stupid?

mac-a-licious · #1 26-06-2007, 14:45

Why would anyone who isnt american be a vegan? In america i can understand a little due to the genetic manipulaion of chickens and ows to produce more but in Europe that does not happen. Cows are pretty much always kept outside. Many chickens are free range and the option of buying free range eggs is possibly even easier than non free range.If you think milking cows is cruel then you have obviously never been on a farm and seen it in person. And the eggs that are laid are unfertilized and are laid regardless of human activity so how is that in anyway cruel?ive seen some fairly uninformed answers here. It bothers me because of this vendetta they have against farmers. The truth of the matter is most vegans do not understand farming and many have never been on a farm in their lives yet they rant on about how cruel farmers are and all these practices that they employ as cruel owners who do anything for their money.Its how people make their money and then idiots like PETA start ranting on about how ALL farmers are cruel, they make no distinction between natural farming and american style factory farming and then all these naive 10-15 year olds who buy into it. And for health reasons? what are these supposed health reasons the protein derived from red meat/chicken is more easily digestible and of higher quality than those proteins from nuts. Ill put it this way name one succesful athlethe who is vegan or would succeed eating a vegan diet. The only reasons humans brains are as developed as they are is because we ate meat.and this is to selektap: It is people like you in particular that annoy me. "Heifers" do not even produce milk. Heifers have never had a calf or were even pregnant. Cows do not have to be pregnant to produce milk. They will produce high yields for up two years after having a calf and will still produce milk in tehir third year. And if you are so worried about them having calves how about you go out into the wild and stop them mating since they have calves at least every second year in the wild.Cherie A: We do not take fertilezed eggs! How is it exploitation. They will just abandon an unfertilized egg. And as for how i would feel if a cow coveted my mothers milk...that is such a stupid point. They do not have feelings on the same level as humans, wild animals do not have the capacity to think "oh thats a beautiful chicken" so unlike some people here i don not value their lives as much as a humans and no one should.Chunderuk: The meaning of sentient is to be emotionally capable of response. Animals such as cows are not capable of this, they are capable of instinctive responsives. Yeah id say an animal out in the wild who is unsure of food supply, at risk from wild animals of attack any moment is much much happier than one who is out in a paddocked field full of grass...the answer is neither are happier because they are incapable of emotion. Im sure that a black man picking cotton in a field is also incapable of emotion...yeah?

crazygirlie · #2 26-06-2007, 15:05

i can see your point but many people become vegan for health reasons too. by eliminating all animal by products in their diet, they are pretty much just eating healthy foods

lululaluau · #3 26-06-2007, 16:05

Personally I wouldn't be a vegan, I like meat too much, but why does it bother you if someone chooses not to consume animal products? There could be hundreds of reasons for their decision. Leave them to it, that's what I say, all the more meat for the rest of us!

Jonny P · #4 26-06-2007, 16:17

i am offended by your question it is against my beliefs to eat cows. It is a holy animal... brb going for maccy d's

my brain hurts · #5 26-06-2007, 16:25

Well what about that beef from China that was recalled? I'm sure this isn't the only country that produces meat unethically and unsafely.

sassylassy2876 · #6 26-06-2007, 17:16

Will some places it is their religion that makes them vegan. Like the Hindu people. not all of Hindus but some worship the cow and other things and wont eat meat. Jewish people are also like this but some will eat kosher foods. People who tend to follow fads and such will follow the vegan diet if it new and cool to do. but veggies and also being messed with and genetically alter now too. You have to ask some who who has eaten meat before then learned about the process of it that made go to vegan. Why do you care what other people eat and don't eat? why do you care the reasons behind it. some people eat less meat or go vegan to change their health. What ever reason they do it, it should not matter to you. If you want to eat veggies and no meat then that's choice. Choices are made by each person and it should only matter to them. as along as they aren't doing some thing to hurt some one. why care? Some people in other country's might think Americans eat weirdly. look at Chinese take out here in America. They don't eat like that, they Americanized it for us. they don't eat it like that. they mainly eat veggies too! Why care? If some one wants to eat veggies then so be it. would you want to be called stupid because you wore a style you only see in Europe? Imean come on, don't get bent out of shape because some one in another country choose to be vagan. even if they do free range raiseing on their animals. doesn't always make it safe. People are going to have all types of reason for why they do what they do. so who cares. it doesn't harm you personally. so why care?

dodo · #7 26-06-2007, 17:25

Firstly, you don't always know where your food has come from, and one ought not [usually] believe what it says on the packet. Often, when they say, for example, "product of Ireland" (since that is where I am located), in reality, it means that it was merely packaged in Ireland. And if I do not know where my food came from, I cannot know how it was treated, in the case of it once being alive and conscious, and for me, this is of immence importance. Hence, I have excluded all such food products from my diet.You should visit PETA's website sometime.

toph · #8 26-06-2007, 17:35

Ah, stuppy - do some research on Mad Cow's Disease - where is that found? That was Great Britain and France wasn't it?Health reasons, environmental reasons, many other reasons to consider it. Open your mind to the truth, and stop preaching that which you don't understand.

chunderuk · #9 26-06-2007, 18:17

I'm from the UK - I'm 26 and I turned vegan about 2 months ago. The reason I am vegan is because it is immoral to take sensitive sentient beings and treat them as if they are property. Nothing that is alive and that can feel pain and suffering and is conscious of it's surroundings should be treated as though they are merely units of production, It's just wrong - in the same way that slavery was wrong all those years ago - (and still is). It doesn't matter how 'free range' or well treated you think your slaves are - ultimately they are still slaves. Which is why I'll happily criticise people who eat meat, not through ignorance of the facts, but when they know the facts and still eat meat. The only other relevant fact one needs to know is that eating meat and dairy is just not necessary for good health - in fact the opposite is true. It's now 2007, it is time to wake up.

lulooa · #10 26-06-2007, 19:05

I myself am considering removing all meat and dairy products from my diet, mainly because I have noticed that when I eat a vegetarian, vegan diet I feel so much better. I have noticed that I have many stomach problems, and feel sluggish when I include meat in my diet. As for the way meat is produced in the UK, I have seen some very good programmes showing how chickens and cows are treated, and the antibiotics, and hormones they are fed, and I really think that it contributes a lot to stomach complaints in people. Also, the way the cows are forced to produce much more milk than they would normally just seems really cruel to me, so if I do buy meat and animal products, I do tend to buy free range and organic.

nephthyswa · #11 26-06-2007, 19:26

well i'm not a vegan but i do know that where vegetarianism is good for the environment, veganism is even better- animals take up the majority of all available farming land. Living in England we don't have alot of land to spare these days! Also, a huge amount of resources go into rearing animals for things like the grain they eat- the world's cattle alone consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion peopleâ€”more than the entire human population on Earth. Water is wasted as firstly water must be used on the grain etc animals eat, as well as being given to the animal itself which will waste far more water than a plant will. Simialrly, energy is used up on the food of the animal and the animal itself. For cows to produce milk they must have the hormones going through their bodies telling them they are pregnant or have had a calf. Thus they must be repeatedly impregnated. I imagine you know what veal is but incase you don't it's the meat from baby cows taken from their dairy mothers after a day. they are immobilised so their flesh is always tender and fed a liquid diet low in iron so their flesh is always white. This can make them very ill and they know onlyt a few months of this terrible life before they are killed for meat. This doesnt only happen in america and any vegan could argue rightly that supporting the dairy industry would be supporting this. When a cow is no longer good for milk produstion they are usually killed.As i said i'm not vegan these were just a few reasons i could think of and if someone cared enough in america or any where else i can see why they would choose this option. hope this helped!

nice guy · #12 26-06-2007, 19:56

To MICHAEAL H I'm sure you and your farm animals are very close. When you walk by the sheep I'm sure you hear them calling your name, Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddy.

rookethorne · #13 26-06-2007, 20:15

Its all a matter of belief, they believe one thing, and one thing only - it's wrong to eat meat or animal products.Doesn't matter where it comes from.They would rather eat radiated plant matter than dare to allow a single piece of animal produce to pass their lips.Some even like to eat their food raw.They believe it is right, and I have no reason to disrespect that belief.

al l · #14 26-06-2007, 20:25

Regardless of how the animals are raised it is not our place to eat from them. Cows do not develop milk unless they have had an offspring or have had added hormones, just like humans. The offspring are normally sold as veil which is isolated so they can not move or turn around. This makes the meat more tender. Cows milk is meant to fatten the offspring and contains too high of a fat content for human consumption. Yes, eggs may be unfertilized but they are harsh on stomach to digest and are high in cholesterol. Regardless of what country you go to eating these foods are unhealthy and cruel.